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Darkhorse Contender:  Nebraska?

 

(Ed. note: The "Contendah" series has really caught on, and has spawned some great discussions  over the past week or so. Here, MilCardFan shares his thoughts on an out-of-the-box suggestion; the Nebraska Cornhuskers, currently coached by ex-Buckeye Bo Pelini)

 

I’ve enjoyed reading the possibilities of who might become the mythical 12th team if the Big 10 were to, you know, jump into the 21st century and all, so I want to make my case for Nebraska.  I talked about my vision for realignment in an earlier post, and although the consensus seems to be that Notre Dame would be the logical fit, that doesn’t necessarily make it so.  At face value, getting an independent team to join a conference would seem to be easier than luring a team to leave one BCS conference for another, but there are a few things that make Nebraska a prime target of opportunity, if the Big 10 thinks outside of the box.   

 

 

Benefits for the Conference:

 

It’s freaking Nebraska, one of the most storied programs in college football, with rich tradition and history.  I’m all about living in the now, but there’s nothing wrong with respecting the past and honoring tradition.  It’s one of the things that make college football so special.  And Nebraska, with the Blackshirts, Tom Osborne, four national championships, and a rabid fan base every bit as passionate as what you’ll find in Columbus, fits the bill perfectly.  As for living in the now, they went through their own ‘Rich Rodriguez era’ with Bill Callahan, and have gone through the fire and come out on the other side with Bo Pelini (OSU alum, BTW), who guided them to a 10-4 record and a New Year’s Day Gator Bowl win over Clemson.

 

And oh by the way, the wrestling program is top notch, and would add to the Big 10’s dominance in that sport.  As far as basketball goes, it’s a mid-level program that last made an NCAA tournament appearance in 1998, but is consistently competitive.  Those would be nice additions to the conference, but make no mistake that if this overture were made it would be to attract the football program.

 

Monetarily, it’s a boon for both the conference and the school.  You add Nebraska to the Big 10, and the Big 10 Network gets another look from cable companies currently fighting about where to place them in their lineup, and you add an entire swath of the Midwest to the coverage area.  It means conference championship game, it means playing later in the season, and all that adds up to is money.  Nebraska in the Big 10 means more games on ESPN and ABC, as opposed to the Fox Sports Network, which helps national exposure and recruiting for the school and the conference.  Quick, name the last time you saw Nebraska on TV, other than a bowl game?

 

Drawbacks for the conference:

 

I can see the criticism coming fast and furious from all corners of the sports world, except maybe Fox…and the Big XII.  I can see Herbie, Corso, and Fowler lamenting that the Big 10 looked backward, not forward, in looking towards a new conference member; that the conference looked at a team based on past accomplishments, and not future capabilities, and that’s been the problem with the Big 10 for the last 10 years or so.  But if they’re adding a 12th team for a conference championship, they are looking forward, are they not? 

 

Academically, they would rank last in the Big 10 in the US News and World Report list of top colleges.  The top school, Northwestern, is ranked 12th.  The lowest ranked school is Iowa, ranked 66.  Nebraska?  Um, well…89.  Granted, it’s not Ivy League, but if the Big 10 wanted a 12th team to dominate the NCAA Intramural Chess Championships, they’d call MIT.  Call me crazy, but I don’t think that draws as well as football.

 

Will it Happen?

 

It’s a longshot, but not out of the realm of possibility.

 

A great point was brought up when looking at Missouri that a move from the Big XII to the Big 10 would be a lateral one at best.  For Missouri, I agree.  They have their rivalry with Kansas, and that’s a rivalry as intense as OSU-UM and as old as Minnesota-Wisconsin.  We just don’t know or care about it because it’s a rivalry we didn’t grow up around to appreciate.  Missouri won’t leave the Big 12 for that reason alone.  Nebraska, on the other hand, really has no loyalties or ties to the Big XII, because their rivalry died with the Big 8.  You could make an argument for Nebraska-Missouri, but is it really a rivalry if one team has won only six times since 1975?  You want to jump up and down and say Nebraska-Oklahoma, but that rivalry became all but forgotten when the Big 8 and SWC merged and the new Big XII placed them in separate divisions.  But it was, arguably, the greatest rivalry in college football for a generation, right up there with the 10 Year War.  The winner of the Nebraska-Oklahoma game almost always won the Big 8, and was on the short list for national championship talk, much like the OSU-UM game.  When the Big XII was formed, the thinking at the time could have been to put them in separate divisions because they’ll play each other every year in the conference championship, but how has that worked out?  Well, Texas has eclipsed Nebraska as Oklahoma’s arch rival, and Nebraska’s is…no one.  (As an aside, I think this is the primary example of why Ohio State and Michigan MUST stay in the same division if the conference does expand).

 

If you add Nebraska and you split the conference geographically, I would put Nebraska in the Great Plains (west) division with Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Illinois.  At first glance, Iowa jumps out as a natural, geographic rival which could easily supplant Missouri, and Wisconsin, along with the Hawkeyes, seem like the teams they will perennially contend with for the division crown.  While I doubt that will rise to the level of the old Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry, it's a start.  And if they do align them in a division with OSU and/or Michigan, boom!  Instant rivalry.

 

The last thing I want to look at is the dynamics of the Big XII as it stands today.  Remember, the Big XII merged the Big 8 (midwest/northern schools) with four Texas schools from the Southwest Conference, and it was more a marriage of convenience that allowed them to go toe to toe with the SEC.  Old SWC member Arkansas bolted in 1990 for the SEC, and shortly after the SEC began their conference championship game.  The peace has been kept in the Big XII by rotating the conference championship game between the midwest (KC and St Louis) and Texas.  When the conference was formed, the headquarters took the old Big 8 office buildings and stayed in Kansas City, because most of the teams are closer geographically to KC.  In the last several years, the conference has taken a decidedly southern tack, with the conference headquarters moving to Dallas, and now there is a move afoot to relocate the conference championship game in Jerry Jones’ new billion dollar playground…in Texas.  This does not sit well with the football fans in Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, or Colorado.  The olive branch compromise that’s being floated is that if the football championship moves to Texas permanently, the basketball championship will move to Kansas City permanently.  That might soothe Kansas and Missouri fans, but Nebraska fans?  Basketball is nice filler between the bowl game and spring practice in Lincoln, and football has been and always will be king, which makes this plan unpopular in Cornhusker land.  Nebraska carried the torch for the Big XII in the early days, and now they seem to be an afterthought to the Texas teams and to Oklahoma.

 

On the surface Nebraska is ‘gettable’, and outside of Notre Dame this would be the best solution for the Big 10’s 12th team conundrum.   

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When in the "drawbacks" section you have to dig deep

and bring up academic rankings (as I did with Mizzou), you know it’s probably a win-win situation for the conference. Missouri and Nebraska may not be great academic schools, but… I don’t really care. In 90 percent of discussions on college sports, academic rankings are the last refuge of scoundrels who just got 50 dropped on them. Good write-up.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on May 26, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

True, but consider

that other than the Slightly Educated Conference, academics are an issue. Big 10 mid range schools still excel in one or two areas. Iowa is a top flight cancer research center. Purdue has a top 3 aviation school, Michigan State is good at…something, I’m sure.

Nebraska would have to bring something to the table academically. I would imagine that they must be near the top in agricultural or biofuel research, whatever. And if the Big 10 wanted them bad enough, they’d make it a fit.

And thanks, glad you liked it.

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by Ted Glover on May 26, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, easy there.

We’ve got this thing, and will soon have this thing, and as such, MSU has the best particle physics program in the country, dammit! (The hell if I know or understand what the hell they do there, ha.)

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by LVS on May 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

FRIB stands for

Frickin Rediculously Insignicant Bullshit, I take it? :)

I kid, I kid. Congratulations on…whatever the hell FRIB means. :)

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by Ted Glover on May 28, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few things

(A quick note to start: If there is expansion, Nebraska is the team I want. I grew up outside Omaha, and I still have hatred in my heart for them.)

Another pro: The Big XII television contract screws Nebraska. While the Big Ten contract distributes money evenly, the BXII bases its distribution on the number of appearances. That, of course, means schools in the south (especially Oklahoma and Texas, who play 3-4 major network games per year) get more than the northern teams (who don’t, except for the occasional run by NU/KU/Mizzou). Nebraska has rumbled for years about this, and the Big Ten has always been an intriguing destination if they bolt.

The big con: I know it doesn’t matter to us as sports fans, but don’t discount the low academic ratings. The CIC (which is the academic version of the conference, consisting of the 11 member schools plus U of Chicago) holds a lot of sway in any discussion of expansion. While economic standing would be of minimal concern at virtually every other BCS conference (as in when the SEC brought in South Carolina and Arkansas without even looking at the academic side of the equation), it might even be more important than the athletics to Big Ten administrators. And MilCardFan is right; even the lower-ranked Big Ten schools have top-notch graduate research programs (which is what the CIC really worries about far more than rankings). Nebraska doesn’t pass muster in its current form.

Other cons: There is a strong anti-Big Ten contingency in Nebraska – more than even Missouri – that would raise holy hell. They remember the arguments in 1998, when they split the title with Michigan. They remember the arguments in 1995, when they won the outright title but had to hear about undefeated Penn State for the next 5 years. And, even before those issues arose, they still hated the Big Ten. It’s an SEC mindset; they think the conference is smug and superior. Plus, while it is true that the NU-OU rivalry has changed dramatically since the conference realignment, don’t discount the pure vitriol of Nebraska-Colorado. It’s faded slightly since Bill McCartney left, but they still hate each other far more than NU would hate anyone in the Big Ten (with the possible exception of Iowa). Throw in a BXII-centric athletic director (really, can you imagine Tom Osborne leaving the BXII behind?), and I don’t see it happening.

Good post, good series.

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by Patrick Vint on May 26, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the input and praise, HS

When this concept was first brought up, I knew that if the move was ever made, Tom Osborne would no longer be the AD at Nebraska. I just sort of assumed it, so I think any consideration of Nebraska as a serious option is 5-10 years off, at least.

And I always get uncomfortable discussing academics on a sports blog, but you’re right; regardless of how much money and how large of a fanbase a team brings into the conference, it still needs to be more than a glorified community college. Not saying Nebraska is that, but that principle rules a good number of schools right out in the minds of a few very powerful movers and shakers. When I re-visit this concept in the future, I may factor academic prestige into the final decision a little more, since the people who actually matter will anyway when making this decision.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on May 26, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

I didn’t realize there was such a rivalry with Colorado. And with the way the Northern schools have been relegated to a kind of second class citizenry in the Big XII, I was mildly surprised to see that Tom Osborne is still so pro Big XII. I’d be kind of pissed, quite frankly, and be looking to do something about it.

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by Ted Glover on May 26, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will try to be diplomatic

I’m not going to go into academics or touch on Nebraska’s “lesser” sports. Let me preface this response by stating that I grew up in Nebraska and spent a lot of my adult life there. All of my family and my wife’s family still live there, so while I might have moved, I still have an ear to the ground in that state. Let me try to help you have insight into how Nebraskans view their college football team.

Nebraskans eat, breathe, and sleep college football. There are no professional sports teams or competing colleges in-state, so Husker football is it. While people in other states may think they have a dedicated fan base, don’t kid yourself—most are rank amateurs and simply don’t compare. These are not fair weather fans, and these fans REALLY know their football. It truly is more religion than game, with Memorial Stadium as their version of the Roman Coliseum where they can watch their beloved gladiators represent their state in battle. (If you think I’m joking, go live there.)

If you were to poll the entire state of Nebraska, you would probably be lucky to get 1 out 100 respondents willing to even consider having a conversation about Nebraska leaving the Big 12 for another conference (if even that). It would be viewed as running away from a tough schedule for a weaker conference, which goes completely against the grain of how these people approach football. While outsiders looking in may see a faded national program, Nebraskans consider their football team a national power that is recovering from a bad coaching decision. I believe that their program had the most wins over a 35 year span. That championship mindset doesn’t go away with a handful of bad seasons. They fully expect….no..they DEMAND that their team rebound and once again compete for national championships each year—then there’s this matter of some “unfinished business” in the Big 12. There is no delicate way of putting this: From a football standpoint, the Big Ten would not be looked on as peers. It would be looked upon as “food.” Most Husker fans would look on talk of a switch as an insult. The Big Ten is viewed as having done little to advance the art of football to the next level and would be unable to provide a team to be a long-term rival for a Nebraska that has regained its stature in college football. There is also animosity towards the Big Ten and other coastal conferences that are seen as having many over-ranked teams due to having so many sports writers (ie voters) compared to “flyover country” on the Plains.

Please don’t confuse NU’s strong dislike for CU and their fans as a rivalry. Most NU fans don’t consider Colorado as their rival. They simply don’t like the bellicose behavior of their fans. That doesn’t constitute a rivalry. On the other hand, even though the splitting of the conference took away the yearly Oklahoma game, Nebraskans still see OU as their rival. There is a mutual respect that goes back decades. Just as there was a time in the 90’s when the North division had most of the talent and NU fans lamented the fall of OU, you can now see OU fans hoping for the return of the Huskers so the rivalry can be restored to what it was.

I hope this helps you better understand the typical Nebraska fan.

by Paul in WI on May 27, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Husker fan here

I do not presume to speak for all Nebraska fans, but in my experience the notion posted above of 99 out of 100 Husker fans wanting to stay in the Big 12 is simply not accurate. I could not give any sort of alternate figure, but I can promise you its nowhere near that out of whack. I will tell you with certainty that most Nebraska fans hate the Big 12, and view its bastardized existence as a major loss of sovereignty for our proud program. As political power continues its shift South, these feelings only grow. Whether than translates into a willingness to leave…that’s another matter. Nebraskans are conservative folk.

Probably the most prominent reason for us to stay, from a football perspective, is our rivalry with Oklahoma. Well that went out the window 14 years ago, and after several scheduling cycles with the Sooners being absent, that relationship is basically dead in my view. The "political" relationship between the two schools is unquestionably dead; OU is firmly ensconsed in the South Division camp nowadays, along with their snotty little brothers in Stillwater.

The Big Eight is completely gone. We have no traditional ties to any of the Texas schools; believe me, we’d all get by just fine without our tussles with the Red Raiders and Bears in Lubbock and Waco every fourth year. The Kansas State, Colorado and Iowa State are failing programs. KU and Missou have their moments to be fair, but the majority of our North Division colleagues are going nowhere. They lack the dedication, demographics and alumni base to be competitive in the foreseeable future. That is not who I want to see my school tied to in the next century. They all basically stabbed us in the back during the formulative talks with the SWC back in 1995, and Husker fans- and Tom Osborne- have certainly never forgotten that. They can go swing for all we care.

For my part, I think NU would be a fine addition to the Big Ten. We have a lot of cultural similarities with people in Big Ten country…its just feels like a better fit than with the Texans. We’re a land-grant university in a small state so we’ll never be an academic powerhouse, but I feel our university system does a fine job with the resources available to it. Certainly nothing to be embarrassed of; we cannot all be Northwestern of course. This isn’t about academics anyhow, lets not kid ourselves. It’s a football deal, and I think, despite some recent struggles, our resume speaks for itself in this vein. I, for one, would love to see it happen.

by Wild Hoss on May 27, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm

Paul in WI and Wild Hoss have almost diametrically opposed view points on this.

Interesting, to say the least.

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by Ted Glover on May 28, 2009 2:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Academics?

I find it interesting that you mention that Nebraska would be last in the Big 10 in academics when it appears you are unable to count to 5. As in Nebraska has won FIVE National Championships, not four. :)

by Heart on May 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I take my Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University education

and hang my head in shame.

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by Ted Glover on May 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Academics?

While you might put a lot of solice in this biased publication that ranks all midwest school as inferior, that is the perogative of you all that is fine, ALTHOUGH i would like you to all look up which school has the most acadmic all americans in the nation. Upon doing this you will realize that Nebraska athletes would be extremely competitve if not better than most big ten school.

    Side Note: I agree with the statement that a move to the big ten would be seen as a step in the wrong direction. In both football, basketball, and baseball. The Big 12 is no doubt a stronger conference in football and typically a better conference in basketball.

by huskers on May 28, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Not solace, really,

I just needed some way to compare schools academically. The USNWR is one that is the most comprehensive…and it’s the only one I know about. If you have data or studies to show that Nebraska deserves another look academically, I’m all for taking a look at it.

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by Ted Glover on May 28, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

The last time NU was on TV was the Colorado game. Not sure if that was a national broadcast, though. That game has been televised on ABC for years.

huskers, the perception outside of Nebraska is that good grades and hence national honors are easier to come by in Lincoln. Academic AA is sort of subjective. And its no secret we made a lot of hay with prop 48’s, back in the day.

I think from NU’s perspective, there are advantages and disadvantages to the Big 10.
Advantages: better exposure. I think Fox’s coverage is rinky-dink, second rate. Definitely better than nothing, but not that great.
Better academic reputation: I suspect the moving to the Big 10 would provide impetus to upgrade programs. At least the acceptance rate at UN-L is a reasonable 75%, unlike the 90% or so at several other Big XII schools.

Agree that we don’t really have a true, long term rival.

Disadvantage: While the Big XII is dominated by UT (and the other southern schools), UN-L does carry some clout. In the Big Ten we would be almost an outpost.
Even Iowa CIty is a drive, and all others are further.
Also, despite better exposure, I’m not sure being in the Big 10 would help football recruiting. Some of our best recruiting areas historically are Colorado, Missouri, and Texas. We would be in a conference with no teams in those states.

FWIW my undergraduate degree is from NU and my graduate degree is from an ACC school.

by schwarm on May 28, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

About the geographic outpost

Do you use that as a point of making it harder for Nebraska fans to travel to away games? In reality, other than Notre Dame, that problem exists for just about any possible addition: Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt (sort of—I know they’re closer than PSU).

I think the geography would be overcome with better TV coverage, and Nebraska games being broadcast into areas where they historically haven’t been. Bo Pelini, being an OSU alum, could probably recruit well in Ohio/Mich/Pennsylvania, for example.

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by Ted Glover on May 28, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s part of it. Plus NU Alums are more likely to end up moving south than east. So playing games in Texas has more appeal to the diaspora. Again, Big XII has teams in four neighboring states, while Big Ten has only in one. I find the idea intriguing but ND and perhaps Pitt are a better fit, IMO.

by schwarm on May 28, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I made an Orange-centric comment on this on the SU post

… but all three of SU, Rutgers, and Pitt are closer to PSU than Ohio State (the closest Big Ten team). Which is the main reason why JoePa likes the idea (that, and despite it being largely his fault that the old rivalries with Pitt and SU have withered, there’s really a lot more history between Penn State and SU or Pitt than they have with any of the Big Ten schools).

Me, I think the pro-expansion camp in the Big Ten is probably of two minds on where to get a 12th team from. A western team (Missouri or Nebraska) would make the division lineup simpler and possibly more balanced (West – Wiscy, Minny, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Nebraska/Missouri; East – OSU, PSU, MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan). And you’d probably get a more consistently good football team that way. But the biggeset markets you can possibly pick up that way are KC and St. Louis, and it’s not going to do a lot for basketball.

On the other hand, an eastern team (Pitt, SU, Rutgers, ND sort-of) would be a bigger name with more tradition, probably excellent basketball, and better academic creds, plus it would be handy for Penn State to have someone within a four hour drive. The downsides here are a bad divisional alignment (one of the Indiana schools has to go west), and a possibly very bad football team.

by drothgery on May 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

... actually, following up on this a bit...

Penn State in the Big Ten makes no geographic sense at all.

Four Big East schools (SU, Pitt, Rutgers, and WVU) are closer to Penn State than every Big Ten school. UConn and Cinci are closer to Penn State than every Big Ten school except Ohio State. Louisville is closer than the ‘western’ Big Ten schools (Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Northwestern) and about the same distance as Indiana or Purdue. Even USF (which probably wouldn’t be in the Big East if Penn State was) is only slightly farther from Penn State than Minnesota is.

by drothgery on May 29, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but geography

becaomes an issue with whatever team the Big 10 targets, save Notre Dame. If you add another school that’s EAST of Penn State, you help Penn State in terms of travel, but you hurt every other Big 10 team. If you add Nebraska, you have a western version of Penn State in terms of geography. You’ll have Iowa and Minnesota, and then hours and hours of distance.

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by Ted Glover on May 31, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

… because if you add another school then you set up east/west divsions so you won’t be playing the schools in the other division anywhere near as often (assuming you don’t do any automatic cross-division games, they drop from almost every year in football to every other year — and of course half the time you get them at home, and to once a year in basketball instead of twice).

by drothgery on May 31, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

In regards to recruiting

…I can only see joining the Big Ten as a bonus for NU. Many Husker fans believe the recruiting sun rises and sets in Texas; I disagree. Nebraska is fifth on the Big 12 totem pole in terms of recruiting the state, and will never rise higher than fourth. We will never be competitve with Texas and Oklahoma by fighting with A&M, Okie State, Missou and Tech for their B-List prospects. That is a losing long-term strategy.

Point in fact, there weren’t more than a handful of Texans who started for Osborne’s dominant teams of the 1990s. Those squads were an amalgamation of talent from across the country; California, Florida, New Jersey, Missouri, Illinois and yes, Texas. That is where Nebraska’s return to prominence lies, and its going to be difficult to achieve with the rinky-dink (great term schwarm) television coverage NU gets in the Big 12. Heck, studies have shown that even the crappy coverage we do get doesn’t help much, as the audience share of Big 12 games not involving UT, OU or A&M in Texas is low anyhow. We aren’t getting the ONE benefit we supposed to out of this deal.

The Big Ten gets far better regional breaks, being shown often in California, the East Coast, and even the Southeast. This is not to mention the national 11:00am slot on ESPN that is pretty much the first game of the day.

The travel issue is somewhat legitimate, but I’d counter with two points. First, its getting more and more difficult to acquire away game tickets as it is. Many schools are slapping stipulations where non-season ticket holders must purchase two or more tickets to other games in order to get one for the Nebraska game. Second, anyone that’s driven from Lincoln to College Station, Austin, Boulder or Lubbock can tell you its not exactly a stroll across town. Husker fans can, and will, travel. Personally, I’d rather drive 10 hours to see us play Ohio State in Columbus than six to play Oklahoma State in Stillwater, and never think twice about it.

by Wild Hoss on May 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting points...

but as I posted above, all of our Big XII north opponents are in neighboring states. If we get a few years of decent coaching, its not hard to believe that we can get regularly get some top prospects out of these states, plus some out of Texas. By joining the Big 10, you may be counting on recruiting long distance.

I agree its frustrating to watch OU and UT at the top of every major men’s sport… and if that’s all we have to look forward to, then why not concentrate on academics. But for now I would rather see a push to even the playing field, with better TV coverage for instance.

Stillwater… ouch. Not fair.

by schwarm on May 28, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

But doesn't NU already recruit nationally?

At least to some extent? I understand the concern about recruiting in Texas, and that’s legitimate. But if you start getting exposure in Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, I would argue that the recruit or two you lose in Texas will be made up in one of those three states. Nebraska is already recruiting behind Texas, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech in the Lone Star state, so it’s not like you’d be losing 5 star talent—it’s more like three and four star, which can be made up recruiting against OSU, UM, and PSU in those repsective states. Plus you can still recruit Texas; a conference switch just opens more doors.

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by Ted Glover on May 31, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Darkhorse Contender: Nebraska?

This subject (Nebraska jumping to the Big Televen) comes up at least once a year.
As does Colorado jumping to the Pac-10.

Never say never, but as close as Nebraska is to dominating the Big-12 north again; which will put them in the CCG and a step away from the MNCG, I doubt this will ever fly.

Oh by the way, Nebraska’s dominance in womens volleyball would fit well in the Big Televen.
Russ Rose would puke knowing he’d have to play in the NU Coliseum every year.

by Red in Colorado on Jun 3, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent discussion here on potential Big Ten expansion

As an Illinois alum, I’ve always been interested to discuss various Big Ten expansion candidates. I have separate lists of items that I believe matter and don’t matter in terms of expansion if I were in the position of the Big Ten commissioner that has to emphasize the long-term business perspective (as opposed to a fan that thinks more about rivalries and geography).

Here are the things that matter for a Big Ten expansion candidate:

(1) New large market – The most important factor, where the candidate must add the largest possible number of households for the Big Ten Network because that’s how it makes its money, which also means the school has to be outside of the current conference footprint. It doesn’t matter if people actually even watch the Big Ten Network in those households – the Big Ten makes its money by simply getting into them. This cannot be emphasized enough (since only a few people have even mentioned the cable channel in the discussion so far) – the advent of the Big Ten Network has permanently altered the criteria for a potential expansion candidate. That eliminates Nebraska (too small of a population), West Virginia (ditto), Iowa State (Iowa already delivers that market plus has a small population), and Pitt (Penn State already delivers all of Pennsylvania’s cable households). Missouri would be a marginal gain since it really only adds the Kansas City market (Illinois already delivers the St. Louis market for Big Ten Network purposes). Notre Dame is a national draw, so it qualifies under this requirement. This is also why Syracuse and Rutgers are the most viable non-ND expansion candidates, since they provide access to New York and New Jersey households. (Literally, cable coverage in a couple of New Jersey counties is worth more to the Big Ten than being able to get every household in Nebraska. That’s why the Cornhusker proposal is a non-starter.)

(2) Long-term success in football (viability in basketball is a plus) – The Big Ten doesn’t want or care about potential – any expansion candidate must be a legitimate powerhouse when it enters the league. Rutgers and Syracuse deliver the markets that the Big Ten would want, but they’re both suspect right now in terms of whether they can deliver high performance on the field consistently (and not just for a couple of years like Rutgers recently – there needs to be a demonstration that there will be a long-term success). If it comes down to a choice between Syracuse and Rutgers, then Syracuse would be the pick – as bad as the Orange have been recently in football, there is a lot more historical significance to the Syracuse football program and definitely a whole lot more basketball success.

(3) Academics – It’s not the only thing or necessarily the most important thing, but it definitely matters a lot. That means any candidate not named Notre Dame must have American Association of Universities membership along with being in at least the top 71 of the U.S. News rankings (which is where Indiana and Michigan State are as the lowest ranked Big Ten schools). By this criteria, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pitt would qualify, but none of the Big 12 schools except for Texas and Texas A&M meet this standard.

(4) Low Hanging Fruit > High Hanging Fruit – Some mention that Mizzou and Nebraska would make more money in the Big Ten as opposed to the Big 12, which would likely be true. However, the fact remains that it is exponentially easier for the Big Ten to lure one of the Big East members than a school from the Big 12. Assuming that all things are equal between, say, Syracuse and Mizzou (where there are good points and bad points to both, but neither is really a slam dunk over the other), then the school that has the more unstable conference situation (which in this case would be Syracuse) is going to be the better target. The fact that the Big East is a basketball conference and a school such as Syracuse is more of a basketball school is completely irrelevant – each Big Ten school by itself receives almost as much TV money per year from its football contracts as all 8 Big East football COMBINED. Any Big East school that gets an invite from the Big Ten would be on the next plane to O’Hare to sign the papers.

Things that absolutely don’t matter for a Big Ten expansion candidate:

(1) Midwestern geographic purity – This is a quaint old notion that was put on life support when Penn State joined the conference and died completely when the Big Ten Network came into existence (not to mention the nationwide presence on ESPN). The Big Ten has MORE financial incentive than ANY other conference to have as wide of a geographic footprint as possible (unless, of course, we’re talking about Notre Dame) – this is the new paradigm of college sports today. Times have changed irrevocably – geography doesn’t mean much at all anymore when the Big Ten owns a national cable network and has the best mainstream media national TV contracts alongside the SEC.

(2) Conference Championship Game Alone Justifies Any 12th Team – This is false. At the Big Ten’s revenue level, a school needs to bring in a significant number of new households for the Big Ten Network in order to make splitting a new pie 12 ways more attractive than splitting the current pie 11 ways. No school is going to be added simply to create a conference championship game.

Anyway, I wrote the blog post below three years ago about Big Ten expansion and thought Syracuse was the best non-Notre Dame candidate (and this was before the Big Ten Network was started). Now that the Big Ten Network is in existence, I think that it’s even more true:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2006/03/05/big-ten-from-eleven-to-twelve/

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