Contendah Number Four: Missourah
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Damn it, Missouri, why can't I find pictures of your head coach making a stupid face?
Missouri has always been a suggestion for Big Ten expansion that hasn't quite made sense to me. They're already in a "power" conference with an established rival in Kansas. Sure, that sorta fits Louisville and Pitt, but only if you consider the Big East a "power conference". No offense intended to our Big East compatriots, as I don't consider the Big Ten a "power conference" either right now. The media hath decreed from on high that the SEC is the toughest conference, while the Big 12 is second and the Pac-10, for reasons I don't quite grasp, is a distant third. It becomes even more confusing when one looks at the mediocre performances by most Big 12 squads in the latest bowl season.
(yes, I'm only using bowl season results as a measure of conference strength because everyone else does it. Big Ten: 1-6. I believe this is where I tug on my collar awkwardly, David-Letterman style)
The issue here is that it is essentially a lateral move for Missouri. The Big 12 already gets into bowl games everyone watches, already has big-money TV contracts, and already has two divisions and a championship game. Why would Missouri make this move? I'm really asking, because if you know, I'd like to hear it. For now, let's look at how it affects the conference overall.
Benefits for the conference
- Missouri is relatively solid in both football and basketball, the only college sports people actually care about the two sports the BXI will look at the most in making this decision.
- Missouri extends the Big Ten one state farther south, and further into the consciousness of the fabled "southern athlete"
- At around 30,000 students, Missouri fits the Big Ten ideal of overall enrollment
- Missouri has a journalism school like whoa. Northwestern and Mizzou battled to the death last winter's Journalism Thunderdome, better known as the Alamo Bowl. I could see this developing into a rivalry
- Missouri, of course, already has a rivalry with the Fighting Illini.
- Kansas City and St. Louis are the 27th and 20th largest markets in the United States, respectively
Drawbacks for the conference
- Pinkel just lost his offensive coordinator and long-time assistant Dave Christiansen to Wyoming of all places. No one's sure if he'll bounce back from that easily.
- The only other "drawback" that I can come up with is that if you're an academics snob and care about academic rankings, Missouri is the 96th-ranked "National University" according to U.S. News and World Report. They would be the lowest-ranked school in the Big Ten, 25 spots below conference academic whipping boys Michigan State and Indiana. I don't put much stock in these rankings at all, so take from it what you will.
Could it happen?
As badly as I may want it to, I don't think so. Unless someone can convince me otherwise in the comments, it just feels too much like a lateral move that any sane athletic director (which I'm assuming Mizzou has given their overall athletic success) would try to avoid if possible. What do you guys think? Do you want Missouri in the conference? Could it be done?
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I'll dive here for some Mizzou perspective
First off, great job on the write-up. Nothing I can really argue with here.
Second, this moving thing obviously comes around for us every couple of years as well. In the end, a lot of the pro and con arguers come down to where the person actually lives. For instance, I am not a Mizzou fan by birth (born in CT), and I am for a potential move to the Big XI. However, many long-time, Missouri-bred fans would be against this, though many for the reasons of keeping rivalries over anything tangible or business-related.
From our (my) standpoint, I’d love to see this because it would re-elevate our academic prestige, plus the move is not some ridiculous jump of geographic faith (ahem…looking at you ACC). The rivalry with Illinois exists, one with Iowa would start (again) very quickly and other schools would fall in line. If anything, the moving of the kU game to Arrowhead in KC proves we could swap Illinois and kU (especially with the new Sprint Center in KC for basketball as well). And let’s face it, the money (both academic and athletic) would be better.
From your (Big XI) standpoint, I see this making sense because it would extend your TV markets perhaps more than with any other move. The completion of a split STL market, moving across the state and taking a chunk of the KC market is about as many sets as you might be able to add. Let’s face it, (and I know this from experience of growing up in CT), you already own the northeast completely (thanks to the Penn State addition), so adding Rutgers or ‘Cuse does not gain you anything. Pitt is the same since you already extend to Happy Valley. L’ville…eh…I dont see how much you would add but that one makes the most sense to me of all the other options (sans ND and probably us).
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One thing about RU or Cuse
While PSU owns the NE on ABC and ESPN, the BTN does not stretch into NY and the other New England states unless they have DirectTV so the addition of NYC and the surrounding areas to the cable networks would be where the money is at. FTR I’m not a big fan of Cuse or RU in the B11.
Kath?
Curious
Who do Mizzou fans consider a bigger rival: Illinois or Kansas? I would imagine the latter, but I’ve heard conflicting opinions.
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It has to be kansas...
people in STL who might tell you Illinois are fooling themselves…it has to be kU.
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Some more Mizzou perspective...
I don’t see where this move makes any sense to the B12, the B11 or Mizzou. Not only does this make the B11 now 12 teams and the B12 now 11 teams, but Mizzou is going to give up some long-standing rivalrys against Iowa State (since 1908), Kansas (since 1891), Kansas State (since 1914), Nebraska (since 1892) and even a fairly longstanding rivalry with Colorado (since 1934). That’s the B12 North, and those teams have been on the schedule every year since the dates mentioned, with a couple game sporadically before that. Even in the South, we maintain rivalries with Oklahoma (since 1910) and Oklahoma State (since 1949), though those games aren’t played annually anymore.
The Big 12 is the latest in the evolution of conferences going back to the Big 6, which became the Big 7, then Big 8. Before that was the old Missouri Valley conference.
There’s a ton of history with Mizzou where it is, and it doesn’t make sense to move the B11 because we have a newer rivalry with Illinois (which may or may not be renewed beyond the current contract in football), and a possible J-school rivalry with Northwestern. Outside of those two schools, and the natural Iowa rivalry that would form, what does Mizzou care about Michigan, Ohio State or Penn State?
The big thing is money. I have don’t know and don’t have the inclination to look and see what Mizzou’s take is from the TV contracts the B12 holds with ESPN/ABC/FSN/Versus compared to what the take is in the B11 from ESPN/ABC/Big 10 Network. From a national perspective (I live in San Diego), I can watch Mizzou at an 11am kickoff on my local FSN, but I never see any of the B11 games on the Big 10 network. I’m sure that has an effect on recruiting somehow.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks
And that was what I was getting at: does it make economic sense? I try to keep the discussions of the for-and-against points relegated to athletics and academics, but ignoring the influence of economics and the fiscal needs of the University of Missouri and those of the Big Ten keeps these things a tad short-sighted.
Were I a Missouri fan I think I’d chiefly be concerned about retaining the annual rivalry game against Kansas at or near the end of the season; the other rivalries, like Ohio State’s other lesser rivals (Illinois, Penn State) are mostly bunk. Of course, I’m not the arbiter of what is a rivalry, but the Kansas game is the only I’d personally be concerned about. That’s probably not the case for a majority of Mizzou fans.
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Kansas is clearly our main rival
Nebraska wasn’t much of a rival when they went almost 30 years without losing, but now that Mizzou has a better program and Nebraska has stumbled in recent years, it’s turning into a good rivalry again.
I’d imagine the Illinois rivalry is big in St. Louis, but I never thought it was that big of a deal when I lived in the Columbia area. In basketball, perhaps, but not in football, where the schools have only recently begun playing each other regularly.
Economic sense SHOULD be a yes
The Big 10’s TV deal is MUCH better, and the money for the academic side is nothing to scoff at. If it was entirely economic, then the decision would be something of a no-brainer.
Travel-wise, the furthest schools from Mizzou (Texas Tech and Penn State) are almost exactly the same distance away, so travel would be pretty close to a wash.
As I mentioned, the argument against (and not saying it is not a good argument, just one I dont get entirely behind) usually comes down to rivalry and history.
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That's one thing these write-ups haven't mentioned so far, and it's important
Financially, the Big Ten’s TV and bowl deals are just much better than any conference except the SEC. Which is why the idea that a Big East school would want to stay in the Big East because they’re primarily a basketball school is ludicrous. No college athletic program could even think about leaving that much money on the table.
The Big 12’s solidly in the second tier with the ACC when it comes to money, but they’re not a Big Ten/SEC financial juggernaut. And the Pac 10 and Big East are just pathetic there.
That is at least partially intentional
I do not know the specifics of television contracts and am only slightly familiar with the intricacies of the bowl set-up, so I’ve left them out of the equation. Thanks for the insight, though.
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by Sam @ WWAHT on May 21, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
no more chase daniels
From a football recruiting standpoint, Mizzou would lose a lot of its pull with Texas High Schools. Now they can come in and say, “I know UT and OU didn’t pick you, but we’d love to have you play and you’d get to play a few games a year in Texas, and would be on TV in Texas all the time.” They couldn’t make that offer anymore, in the big ten.
by Longhorn@Berkeley on May 18, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
While this is true...I think we would be OK
though in the immediate, it would return our coach to his previous recruiting grounds. At the same time, I dont think we would abandon TX either. Let’s face it…TV is TV and while getting to play in front of your family is nice, them getting to see you on TV for EVERY game (which is something the Big XII cannot currently offer) is nice as well. I think you would see a shift in recruiting, but we have made some very solid in-roads in TX and I do not believe we would completely get shut out of the state.
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Nebraska would be better
Who do they have, from a rivalry standpoint, in the Big XII North? Kansas? Iowa State? MIzzou?
Their only real rival from the old Big 8 days was Oklahoma, and that went away with the birth of the Big XII. The thought at the time was to put them in different divisions and they’d play for the conference championship every year.
They are another powerhouse program on the way to redemption, with only a faded rivalry with Oklahoma keeping them where they are now. And the ruination of the great Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry was the prime reason that I feel you need to keep OSU-UM in the same division. They only play every few years now, and at one time it was one of the top three rivalries in the country.
There’s also an undercurrent of resentment in the northern schools of the old Big 8 days. This conference has a decidedly Texas/southern bias towards it now; the conference headquarters and conference championship game moved from KC to Dallas, and I could see Nebraska being lured away easier than I could Mizzou. Mizzou has Kansas, and that’s a rivalry as real as OSU-UM.
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