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Oregon Preview: Defense

The debate surrounding Oregon's defense began immediately following the Ducks' 37-33 win over Oregon State, and has yet to cease. Addicted To Quack, using statistical rankings adjusted to reflect strength of schedule, has put forth the reasoned Oregon argument quite well:

Now, I'm not gonna sit here and say that Oregon's defense is better than OSU's. It's not. But, it's a lot closer than any Buckeye fan is willing to admit. Looking at these statistics, Oregon has the 15th ranked defense in the country, and beyond that has the 10th ranked rushing defense in the country (mostly because they have faced a lot of really good rushing teams). These results really shouldn't be a surprise. Oregon is giving up only 4.6 yards per play on the season, good for 11th nationally. And they are giving up only 3.41 yards per rush, good for 24th nationally (again, let's remember that S&P+ takes into account opponent strengths).

And The Rivalry, Esq. has responded with a comparable amount of stat-wonkery:

Adjusted to reflect the quality of opponents, and number of snaps, Ohio State's defense is allowing 26.9% less points per game than Oregon's defense.  Coming into the Rose Bowl Oregon is scoring 8.4 more points a game than Ohio State on average (29.3 points versus 37.7 points).  Adjusting these figures to reflect Ohio State's defensive advantage (e.g. the 26.9 percent scoring differential), the Buckeyes have a 2 point advantage on paper heading into the game.

I suggest reading both articles so that you can fully understand both sides' respective points. You're probably expecting me to take a side here.

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Being a chickenshit, I won't. Here's my line of thought: Oregon's defense could very well be terrible - is Ohio State's offense good enough to take advantage of it? Oregon's defense could very well be lights-out, and it may have been a top-ten outfit in the offensively-challenged Big Ten as well - but can Ohio State's offense simply replicate the Penn State game plan (against a top ten rushing defense) and hope to win?

I will say this in agreement with ATQ: I think Oregon's defense is far, far better than most Ohio State fans are giving it credit for, and that anyone that thinks Ohio State is going to bulldoze the undersized Oregon front did not watch either team very much, and certainly did not watch Ohio State's game against Purdue, or Oregon's game against USC. The Buckeyes are perfectly capable of moving the ball on the Ducks, but it's not going to be a walk in the park. I'm not going to take the cheap, easy way out, and sit back and diss the Oregon defense. Their stats aren't the greatest, but they are no slouches. Hell, it's not like they're going up against an unstoppable offense anyway.

We'll know how well Ohio State will do against Oregon's defense in the early stages of this game. Oregon's front seven is undersized on average, relative to most Big Ten defenses - DT Brandon Bair is just 270 pounds, while hybrid DE-OLB Kenny Rowe is just a hair under 230 pounds, and linebacker Eddie Pleasant checks in at around 210. But Oregon isn't just trotting out a bunch of skinny dudes and praying that they don't get run over; these guys are quick and athletic enough to give most offenses - especially attacks as ground-oriented as Ohio State's - quite a bit of trouble.

Brandon Bair is a Doug Worthington type - a DT in a DE's body, and offers many of the same things Worthington does: good pursuit on screens, a big bear paw in the middle of the defense on quick slants, and an excellent pass rush on 3rd and 7+ situations. He isn't really big or strong enough to demand double teams in short-yardage situations, but matching him up with say, Bryant Browning, might be a very fortuitous move for the Ducks. Browning is an excellent roadgrader, but his feet are lacking, and a stunting, mobile Bair could very well give him fits in a way that Jared Odrick could not. Oregon's other DT - Blake Ferras - is in fact, big and broad, like Odrick, and could present just as many problems for the Ohio State interior.

Kenny Rowe is going to be a terror in passing situations. He has 8.5 sacks on the year - almost as many as Cameron Heyward and Thaddeus Gibson combined (9.5) - and as an undersized, quick outside rusher, he's the exact type of end that has given Ohio State's offensive line trouble in the past. Knowing Jim Tressel, Rowe will be limited the only way Jim Tressel knows how: by dropping Terrelle back 20 times at the most while whispering "good luck with that" to Jim Cordle. Cordle has shown improvement over the past few games, working against some very good DEs like Jack Crawford and Brandon Graham, so hopefully it'll translate fairly well to the bowl game. Pleasant is Oregon's 2nd best sack artist, and could be blitzed directly into Ohio State's pocket in the hope of containing Pryor on rollouts.

What Oregon lacks in size up front, it more than makes up for in speed. Even if Ohio State's offensive line manages to blow the Oregon DL off the line of scrimmage (certainly not a given), Brandon Saine and Daniel Herron will probably not have a whole lot in the way of open space to work with in the second level, and will thus be forced to break quite a few tackles. Oregon's linebackers - Pleasant, Casey Matthews, Spencer Paysinger (both with more-than-adequate linebacker size) and occasionally Kenny Rowe -  fly to the ball, and while they may not always make the perfect form tackle, they're in the area and clogging up running lanes. Either way, Ohio State's backs are not renowned for their tackle-breaking ability. I'd expect to see a lot of 3-6 yard gains, along with the requisite amount of stuffs, but very few runs of longer than 10 yards.

(If you're still doubting Oregon's ability to match up against a team with a potent ground attack who really struggles to move the ball through the air, they have done it before. Cal, with Jahvid Best in tow, got completely locked up in Oregon's 2nd-most dominant performance of the year. The Duck defense did a terrific job of stacking the box and bringing the ball-carrier down for minimal gain. They will not be easily bowled over.)

 Ohio State is not going to win this game by "out-athleting" Oregon on offense; it'll have to do it through superior blocking, the likes of which we saw against Iowa, Penn State and Michigan. If the staff can get a similar amount of effort out of this line as it did in Happy Valley, things will go a lot more smoothly for Terrelle Pryor and Ohio State's incidental passing game.

The defensive backfield is not the strength of this unit, but there are some very solid players: Talmadge Jackson III leads the team in interceptions with four, while T.J. Ward and Javes Lewis patrol the deep portions of the field.  As a unit, the Oregon secondary has held 7 of their 12 opponents under 200 yards passing, thought it's highly unlikely that Ohio State will make a serious effort in getting to that number unless the game gets out of hand early. The match-ups here are iffy; DeVier Posey can make many corners look bad, but frequently when he does, Pryor overshoots him anyway. Even so, I wouldn't start banking on Posey burning Jackson - a more than adequate cover corner - any time soon. I like the prospect of Dane Sanzenbacher against Oregon's other corner - either Anthony Gildon or Cliff Harris, both underclassmen who have been consistent, but not spectacular - but yet again, it's an issue of Pryor actually hitting the open man.

However, If Ohio State is dropping back enough to get Rowe, Bair and Pleasant heavily involved in the backfield, chances are that the Buckeyes never had a chance in the first place, as the ground game will have to have already been limited. The Ohio State passing game is a completely secondary aspect of the offense, more of a "change-up" for Jim Tressel than a separate entity.

Thus, everyone and their mother knows what Ohio State's offensive gameplan against Oregon is going to be: pound the rock, drain the clock, and keep the Duck offense off the field (and the Buckeye defense well-rested). Other teams have tried it, and Ohio State will be hoping that its defense can contain (meaning "slow down", not "shut down") the Oregon offense long enough to keep this strategy viable.There will be either misdirection or read-option at least once every other drive, and there will be a deep ball here or there to test the Duck secondary. If Pryor can connect on at least one of these, and if the line is blocking like it did against the Lions, the Hawkeyes, and the Wolverines, the Buckeyes will probably be in fairly good shape heading into the game's final minutes.

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I think this game will come down if we can score early in the game.

Tresselball is predicated on getting a lead, then by playing field position. Can OSU do this against Oregon? Yes. Can they do it simply? No way.

What frustrates me to no end, is this. Let’s say OSU gets the ball first. Drvies about 70 yards or so, somehow punches it into the endzone for 7-0 lead, burning some 6 minutes off the clock.

Now let’s assume Oregon does go 3 and out (possible, but not necessarily probable) and OSU gets the ball around their 35-40. Grind a few more first downs, and either scores a TD or kicks a FG. We are now 2 scores up.

Who wants to bet Tressel crawls into the run it up the gut and play field position for the rest of the game? I do. And that is what will lose us this game. While we have a stout D, Oregon’s O is just too good to play that type of game.

Only chance we have is to continue to push the issue offensively, turnovers be damned, not play over-conservatively.

I can see us winning, but I feel we have to score first and continue to apply the pressure. If OSU falls behind early in the game (say 14-0 or 17-3), I don’t see us coming back in the game, and the final will be about 3 TDs out.

by talonk on Dec 29, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

i just think the oregon defense struggles with inconsistency...

they looked great in games against cal, boise, even against usc in the 2nd half. but they looked down right awful against arizona, oregon state and stanford.

by davereg412 on Dec 29, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Key factor with the teams Oregon struggled against

All three teams had QB’s who were able to throw accurate passes…especially Luck and Canfield. Foles is no slouch either. Poised QB’s are the bane of Oregon’s existence on defense…..not sure if Pryor falls into that category

by ppilot on Dec 29, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

However, I would add that Andrew Luck is not a particularly accurate passer; he’ll be a great pocket guy one day, but this year he had a 56.3 percent completion percentage. That’s just .7 percent better than Pryor on the season. Good, but certainly not pinpoint accuracy.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on Dec 29, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Luck is about the most accurate passer we faced....

in fact, Aliotti in a presser said that Luck will be the first pick in the draft wehn he comes out – that was before the game. The problem with completion percentage is that you have to account for the their very verticle passing game. Foles throws a lot of passes in the flats whereas Luck goes 20 yards + down the field.

by BisonDucks on Dec 29, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to add on that...

he was like 12/20 in the game against us and it seem all his incompletions were throwing the ball out of bounds to avoid a sack or the ball ball was dropped by a wide receiver. That was about the most efficient 60% pass completion game that I’d witnessed.

by BisonDucks on Dec 29, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I know Luck was a big recruit in high school

and he has an NFL future – probably as a first rounder – but for this year, he was a freshman, and he wasn’t much more accurate than Pryor. That’s all I’m trying to say. I certainly don’t think Pryor will throw for as much as Luck did.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on Dec 29, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam,

I can see why you think that from that stats but nothing could be further from the truth. Stanford runs a lot of max protect, 2 wide receiver sets and they go straight down the field. Harbaugh wants his quarterback to make good decisions. So, Luck throws the ball away a lot in their scheme. If he ends up passing for 62% in that scheme, then watch out. Foles passed for 66% and I would say Luck is more accurate. Also, in the Oregon State game his wide receivers could not catch a pass. On the first play of the game Luck threw a beautiful bomb that went right between the hands of his receiver that goes for 80 if caught.

Take a look at these stats that illustrate my point:

Stanford #8/Ohio State #55 in yards per attempt passed
Stanford #21/Ohio State #66 in passer rating

Luck only threw 4 ints versus 10 while throwing more often.

Pryor and Luck are worlds apart. Aliotti, after watching film, said that Luck is better than Barkley and that was when Barkley was playing very well. That was from the game film not his recruitment. I honestly think that Luck was the best pure quarterback this year in the Pac-10. Foles had a bevy of wide receivers that get tremendous yac and a sonny dykes offense while canfield was the recipient of a great system as well.

by BisonDucks on Dec 29, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m not disagreeing with any of that; I’m saying that, statistically speaking, he wasn’t that much more accurate than Pryor. And he wasn’t. He’s a better passing quarterback certainly in terms of technique, throwing motion, etc., but even so, they aren’t worlds apart in terms of actual accuracy. Stanford’s offense is naturally a more down-field attack, so of course yards/attempt will be much, much higher.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on Dec 29, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, you really are obtuse.

"…statistically speaking, he wasn’t that much more accurate…

What statistic is there that measures accuracy? Completion percentage does not equal accuracy. If two QBs each throw a pass to recievers and one of them gets dropped, he is inaccurate while the guy with the good receiver is accurate?

Watch a few highlights from the Oregon/Stanford game and you will see Luck dropping passes right into the hands of Owusu, in stride, 20 or 30 yards downfield. I haven’t seen all of the OSU games, but what I did see did not include Pryor making any passes like that. To say the two are close in accuracy is ridiculous.

by jfwells on Dec 30, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Being a condescending jackass isn’t helping your flimsy argument.

Of course there is no end-all be-all statistic for measuring accuracy. But completion percentage is roughly as close as it gets, and, not having every hour of game footage to pore over here (and having no interesting in doing so even if I did), it’s the best way to measure it without having to make considerations of differences in offensive philosophy, strategy etc. Straight-up, the statistics tell me that – even if Luck was hitting his receivers in stride in your nice little anecdotal examples – on the year, he isn’t much better at completing passes than Pryor.

Unless Stanford has suffered from an unholy pox of drops on the season, Luck simply isn’t some deadly accurate 2008-Colt-McCoy passer, as many are alleging. He may very well end up being one very soon, but right now, he’s rather average.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on Dec 30, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing I would like to point out,

When we played Stanford, they blasted away with Toby Gerhart (who has no comparison). We obviously crept up on defense as a result.

Luck then proceeded to nail at least 4 insanely accurate fifty yard bombs in a row, the deep passes are what doomed our defense. It is impossible to defend against Toby Gerhart with 5 or 6 in the box. It is impossible to defend against a QB who is hitting deep pass after deep pass with only 3 or 4 in the secondary. Lucks completion percentage may have looked poor, but it what not representative of the passes he was completing.

If Pryor can consistently hit 40-50 yard passes, you win.

Anatidaephobia-Fear that a Duck is watching you. Pryor, come January 1st, there will be millions watching you. We are banking on your overwhelming football prowess, blessed Juju.

by CaDuck on Dec 30, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

"Consistently"?

Just two or three should do the trick, provided the Ohio State defense holds up its end of the bargain and holds Oregon under 30 points (which I don’t think will happen)

If Pryor hits more than 3 40+ yarders, that will just be Oregon blowing coverages “consistently”.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on Dec 30, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam I appreciate your being objective and all...

But lets be honest, no matter how many ways you try to shine up the numbers, the Ducks defense is awful. 10 times outta 10 I will pick the team with a PROVEN defense and a chain moving running game over a gimmick laced offense that is forced to win shootouts.

O-H

by BuckeyeSki on Dec 29, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

Our defense is awful...?
  1. in yards per play given up in the in the country is awful? We also did that while playing BSU, Purdue, and Utah in our OOC and then the Pac-10 slate. We got Cal when they were coming in #6 in the country, the mighty Troy hadn’t fallen and UW thought they could still upset us. You have to look at the context of things. You don’t win the Pac-10 with an awful defense. We don’t have a great defense but definitely above average. We are vulnerable to power because three top tier DT failed to qualify.

I could look at the UM game and say your offense really sucks. Let’s face it…21 on UM is horrible because they leak like sieve. However, there is a rivalry factor that can’t be quantified. You can throw out all stats in the Civil War. When we played Arizona we got their best shot. I predicted a Stanford loss because we always struggle against Harbaugh and he now has talent. Remember, Gerhart is actually closer to 250 and he runs behind a huge fullback and 6 offensive linemen instead of TE. Luck also dropped some dimes in that game with dbs draped all over their wr.

You will be surprised with our defense, especially when Aliotti has time. It’s funny because CU said they’d run all over us with their vaunted running game in the Fiesta Bowl and they scored one touchdown. Unless Pryor learns to make pinpoint passes than we’ll be fine.

by BisonDucks on Dec 29, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

"awful" is certainly stretching it

The statistics might not be the sexiest, but this is a defense that’s perfectly capable of stopping the Ohio State attack, even when Ohio State isn’t stopping itself with penalties and turnovers. No reason to keep denying it.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on Dec 29, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Sam...

good analysis. I think Rowe is closer to 245 now. Our defensive tackle rotation gets a fair dose of Simi Toeaina (292) and Zac Clark (280) and a smattering of Terrence Montgomery (285). A defensive preview would be remiss without the inclusion of Will Tukuafu. He is the other DE on the team and a senior stalwart. The big thing with our dline is that it is a legit 8/9 rotation and keeps our players fresh.

My guess is that you will see a lot of Javes Lewis at corner and Boyett/Ward at Safety. Ward was a preseason all – Pac-10 selection by every media outlet but was derailed for most of the season with a high ankle sprain. His production has been ungodly when healthy and he will be an NFL draft pick. He is a vicious hitter that will help out in run support. Boyett has been a godsend for our secondary with very consistent efforts. Lewis is a safety/cb hybrid that will play a lot of corner, I suspect, because he can help out a lot in run support.

by BisonDucks on Dec 29, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to include something about Tukuafu

But realized the post already read like I was simply going down the depth chart. I didn’t mean to gloss over his contributions.

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by Sam @ WWAHT on Dec 29, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Size Matter?

I just compared OSU’s O-Line with Oregon’s D-Line (projected starters) and vice-versa. On average, Ohio State’s OL out-weighs the Duck D-Line by 40 lbs, or 16%. UO’s OL out-weighs OSU’s DL by 20 lbs, or 7%.

Obviously, Oregon’s offensive plan is to set up their runs to the edges, but they’ll take a cut up the middle (especially Masoli) if the DL over pursues. But given that Ohio State has been favoring up-the-middle runs out of the I, how much of an advantage will the size of our OL be?

"Nothing cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."

by RedDevilEA on Dec 30, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Good read

This is the first real attempt to look at actual match-ups that I have seen. Thanks for the analysis, I think you have a rational well thought out analysis here that has been lacking on both sides. Football is often more about individual matchup, especially in the trenches. I am looking forward to a good game, and I really think this game is going to come down to the Ducks “D” vs. the Bucks “O”. You’re defense is going to do its thing, and make some great stops, and our offense will do its thing and get some big plays here and there (I hope). I really think this comes down to the Oregon “D” holding tOSU to field goals, not TD’s. I think that Tressel needs to let Pryor take a few shots to keep the Ducks honest, otherwise they will stack the box a day long.

Truthfully though I have no idea how this will play out, I see it going several different ways. But either way I appreciate this article for its look at match-ups not just stats that really don’t do anything to illuminate how these teams will fare against each other. Now hopefully we don’t pull an Arizona or OSU (Beavers). GO DUCKS.

by QuackinAK on Dec 31, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

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